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Cyberpunk 2077 has some of the most riveting lore and dark conspiracies that can be found in modern video games. But there are many details within the game that even the most hardcore lore buffs like myself may miss along the way.
And this is where “iceberg theories” come into play. Lore icebergs explore the concept that fictional universes have many stories to tell beyond what we see in the main narrative. The main stories and content delivered in a direct fashion only scratch the surface, but much more can be discovered when we delve below the surface.
In this video, we’re going to explore some of the most mysterious and disconcerting lore that can be found in the Cyberpunk universe. We’ll go over theories that explain the real reason Yorinobu killed his father, reveal the true nature of Alt Cunningham, the romance mod that was so spicy that CDPR banned it, as well as explore some rare quest outcomes and hidden dialogue you may have missed in your own playthrough.
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0:00 Introduction
1:26 Tier 1 Iceberg Theories
1:34 Equipping Johnny Silverhand’s Arm
2:56 You Can Talk to Jackie AFTER The Heist
6:33 Unique ‘Fingers’ Encounters
8:26 Woodman “Saved” Evelyn’s Life
10:36 Fingerprint Secret Detail in Character Creator
11:31 Tier 2 Iceberg Theories
11:36 Sinnerman Unique Endings
14:10 Tarot Card Hidden Meanings
19:24 River Can Die and / or Go to Prison
24:12 You Can FAIL “Boat Drinks”
25:45 Tier 3 Iceberg Theories
25:50 Was the Heist a SETUP?
29:38 The True Identity of Mr Blue Eyes
31:24 Johnny’s Memories Are Lying To Us
35:24 What Happened to Spider Murphy?
38:58 Tier 4 Iceberg Theories
39:03 Alt Cunningham is a ROGUE AI
42:52 Can Biotechnica SAVE V’s Life?
45:29 The Real Reason Yorinobu Rebelled
47:55 Johnny’s Dog Tags
49:28 The BANNED Silverhand Romance Mod
52:08 Conclusion
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I loved this video since Cyberpunk lore isn’t as popular as it used to be. There’s a couple points I’d like to add to the iceburg sections
– with the “Was the Heist a setup” I don’t think T-bug faked her death. If I recall correctly you can see her name at the grave yard area(I forgot the name but it’s outside of nightcity). Also in Kabuki Town I think, if you talk to a quickhack vendor, you can ask her about T-Bug. I haven’t played Cyberpunk in a while so if I’m wrong about the grave memorial area I’ll edit this to be correct.
– I believe Johnny’s memories are lying to us but I wouldn’t go as far as to assume he died to Smasher instantly, since soulkiller was used on him, and Johnny’s engrams is TOO complete compared to Jacky’s (since he died and Soulkiller was used on him). When you play as Johnny in his memory, his Malorian does less damage as it does in 2077 Same with his melees. I believe he also moves MUCH faster, despite his lack of augments. I’m sure his memories lie to us more but that’s all I can remember(I believe Morgan also lead the attack but Johnny’s memories lie to us about his own self importance since he is a Narcissist)
– Alt Cunningham is a rough A.I. I partially partially partially disagree with this due to OneDragon’s deep dive. He points out that Alt says some bitter things to Johnny provided on what you choose to say to her as Johnny before she’s kidnapped. I believe when V meets her, she’s 1 of two things.
1) she’s an AI construct like 01 who consumed her engram and has taken on her personality as a result of her engram being so prefect/complex(an amazing netrunner as an engram would be nuts)
2) It’s actually alt’s engram that found a way to become something like if not exactly like a Rouge AI
Great video btw Dan! This made my Saturday fr
The thing about Johnnys death is that it has to be atleast some mix of the two. He HAS to be uploaded to soul killer otherwise his engram would be like Jackies
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biggest theory….the Keanu Reeves BFF Simulator plot wasnt the original plot and the short montage at the beginning of the game with V and Jackie were cut quests from before CDPR turned this into a generic action game
Also the music is killer in this it feels like something jon williams would do
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I thought cdpr took his arm out.
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What happened to Dex's bodyguard?
I'm surprised to see "Alt is an rouge AI" is a conspiracy theory. Ever since I first did that mission, that seemed to be plain as day.
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A theory I have is that when Johnny was killed with soul killer they could have manipulated his memories and personality so it would be impossible for him to tell the truth of the past, Johnny can't be controlled and he was already dead but Rogue was bought out, all we really know is that Mikoshi holds engrams, if alt could be replaced with AI why couldn't Arasaka make there own Johnny with a different story, this could also explain Johnny's conflicting blood type, what could they change, only those that know him would know the difference, but they know Johnny would always put him in the spotlight.
I love how in the ending of every video he says “i should go” love how he is a Mass Effect fan through and through
I personally subscribe to the idea that Spider Murphy is Songbird, Myers's right hand, and one of the most skilled netrunners in the country that we know is coming in Phatom Liberty. I mainly think these because in the trailer, when Songbird and Myers are in Spaceforce 1 and ut gets shotdown, if you look at the HUD she is using the Relic to display herself, and she appears to be trying to avoid Johnny. Going off of lore, I think Songbird is Spider Murphy directly, or somehow related to Spider Murphy, perhaps an apprentice of Murphy or Murphy's daughter, but considering she seems to actively be avoiding Johnny, and is so skilled she can hack the relic and states that she can help with the whole relic problem, which shows she obviously has some past experience with it, it leaves me to believe it's much more likely Murphy is Songbird
V calling Jackie after his death hits hard. I've done that. Sent Emails to someone who passed on.
You can't even imagine how much it broke me when i thought i could really get to talk to Jackie as an engram and i realised it's just some nonsense…. Then and there, if i got the option i would have ended Hanako's life
The tabletop games literally talk about blue eyed people. They say they’re constructs using human bodies like proxies. It could be a little different for Mr. Blue Eyes but I guarantee it’s similar and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s Alt as the Alt we meet in Cyberpunk 2077 isn’t the only or even most complete engram of Alt Cunningham. She actually says this in game.
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Another thought… T-Bug saw the BD that evie gives us. Why did she not recognize Adam Smasher on the BD?
I'm really looking forward to the terrot breakdown video you mentioned.
I like to assume that T-Bug faked her death in order to "burn all bridges" as she put it. While there is no solid proof that she did fake her death, she is the only member of the crew whose death we don't witness ourselves and whose body we never see. On top of that, at a random point in act 2, V can find a cryptic message in their apartment called "Greetings from Des Moines" which quotes a book called "Ubik" and seems to be a gloating message about how "I'm the one that's alive. You're all dead." While it's not clear who sent the message, I like to think it's T-Bug subtly gloating that she survived while everybody else died, since she is shown to have a penchant for quoting author's and philosophers. Of course, if she thinks the whole crew is dead, then why would she send the message to V's apartment? It would be pointless unless it was like a closure kind of thing.
Finger's lack of good inventory? I guess we play different games.
About edgewood, if you have been there roaming, V will recognize where it is when the kid trying to escape sees the outside area.
7:47 wait, isn't she the girl from one of trailers?
Edit: yes she is,the one from E3 2018
even before you meet dex red flags come up frst aa a street kid v say fixer drops the person in a landfill after doing the job and red flag is when we meet dex voodoo boys tell him to bk off and red flag he ask you go out guns or quite life when miss Parker red flags she very sus about information then doing the bd we hear rhe old man soon say we will soon fine out plus he looking at the biochip docks right in font of his dad so I think we was set up by dex and tbug and the old man soon was working with dex and netwatch to get jhonny so v should have never took that job and big Dan we all ready knew most of that information you said and it's clearly jhonny lieing I think fan boys want to believe him butt jhonny is the main villain of cyberpunk most games have 2 to 3 villains the frst 2 are sub villains like adm and the old man son leading up to jhonny and yes 2 ppl that are unknown dead are tbug and spider Murphy butt I think she dead because of rouge betrayed them what needs to be answered is what happened and how rouge lived and were did that helicopter go down butt I do think we fine it in a npc hustle
I also have a theory about Yorinobu that is wild, but possible. Yorinobu did not plan to sell the silverhand relic to netwatch. He only advertised that to the world or lied to netwatch about selling it to cover up his true plan. That being, he would put the relic into his head and since he knows from the documentation that it is supposed to take a host body he would do everything in his power to stop his dad, if he got shot and killed. Then johnny would have a new body in 2077 to now take down arasaka with and that fits with Yorinobus plans we see in the ending with Hanako that he just wanted to stop his father's mad rule over the world, not to take over the corporation. And who better to do that and who hates araska more than the silver rocker himself.
The theory is pretty wild, I know, but it somehow fits into the wild plan we can't fully see that Yorinobu has.
you can tell Jack is a toaster by the limited responses its not really them but man is jonny more convincing perhaps its because they extracted him while he was alive vs a corps
Dan, about Johnny's memories and him misremembering things: This is CLEARLY a retcon attempt from CDPR. They wanted to present the anarchist bad-ass anti-corpo character who is Johnny, and the 'original' backstory of him did not fit the bill, hence they retconned his backstory. It is just baffling why the most obvious explanation does not occur to you, neither here nor in the original video when you already talked about this. Occam's razor, man.
So you didn't realize you meet Spider and her Son in side missions aye?
What is the chance tbug is vdb?
River is weak on his own.
Yorinobu set up Evelyn. Evelyn hired the weakest fixer, Dex, because she knew she required expendables. And Dex did his thing because he required some hotshots.
Always enjoy a big Dan deep dive. Thanks
The one think you misrepresented was that Johnny and Blackhand were hired but from what I understand that’s incorrect, militech hired Morgan and he hired the rest due to their various issues with arasaka and the corporations.
Tbugs friend that you get the free ping from says that they found her in her apartment a couple days later.