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In the latest release from R.Talsorian Games – Cyberpunk Edgerunners Mission Kit, they wrote about the origins from protagonists of the anime, including Adam Smasher, and they had some interesting things to say about the character including the idea that the original Smasher was long gone and now Arasaka used someone else into brainwashing him he is the real deal. I think about it as a rumor among the citizens of Night City but coming from the official sources it’s worth to talk about.
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He might have gotten soulkilled and got an engram ready in Arasaka's secret mikoshi. I don't believe we seen the last of Smasher. Arasaka will want revenge in a 5th corporate war.
Finally more lore videos, whatever happend to the PL ending videos?
Great theory comrade!
I think R. Tal maybe had second thoughts about letting CDPR perma flat line Adam, since the game also showed that the characters were super popular.
As for why Arasaka might have basically cloned Adam's mind, because he's an obedient soldier who is willing to do anything asked of him… and he's good at it. Someone who can survive full borg is rare, someone who can survive it, and is both as violent and effective as Adam… basically one in a million.
It's a cool theory, the door is certainly open for other stories.
Fun fact I did something similar with Johnny in a Red game. Johnny appeared at the end of the story (which was about Lazarus getting a copy of Soul Killer and using it to build an army of copies of a similar sociopath to Adam smasher out of bodies collected from the street.)
Johnny survived Soul Killer. He was brain damaged and it took him a while to recover. Spider and Santiago were the only ones who knew he was alive.
Johnny spent 20 years in retirement, he never reached out to Rogue because he thought he'd just wreck her life again, and didn't reach out tk his old band because one that's the obvious move and 2 they were all moving on anyways.
So he crawled into a bottle in Mexico city.
My team found him, because they needed help, and Johnny got back in the saddle again. After the OP (a huge fight at Lazarus HQ in Night City, he went back underground. But this time he was able to leave his demons in the rubble.
i think Smasher was actually the proto engram before Johnny, so he dies and they make another cyborg with engram, adds to his myth
Thanks choom! Adam Smasher is a cool character that reminds me of Darth Vader in a way.
His ego was bigger than Johnny's. Him acknowledging that he is not a real person but an engram, would mean that Arasaka created a loyal, obedient and lets not forget functional cyberpsycho, knowing from the get go what he was. I mean it's not like "Hey we have a tool who can kill us all, why not create him again from the scratch?" He was always like that, just a hired merc and a glorified bodyguard. Now the question is why and how could Arasaka create someone like that since psychopaths don't give a shit about anybody but themselves? The scene in The Heist, where he "knows" that someone is behind a pillar but doesn't react? Weird.
They all tend to live abnormally long lives, Adam just chose to live his life like he didn't give a damn about petty human things and ended up being a useful pet and failed in the end without anyone to "resurrect" him again. Finding a "suitable" candidate to fill Adam's shoes would be astronomical. Also using a kill switch on him would be pretty useless because if he went rogue, that would just prove that they aren't in control of anything not to mention Smasher. Some life that would be, huh?
Also there is Alt with her cyber personality that says Johnny's memories are a jumbled mess and he remembers things how he wanted them to be, not how they went.
Was Adam was trying to killed blackhand?
The answer is no. He is a construct just like Saburo Arasaka and Johnny Silverhand. They can snatch different bodies just like Saburo Arasaka was going to take his son's body.
In the side quest in Watson where you save a monk, if you do it without killing anybody, when you meet the monk brothers again in Japantown, they'd tell you that they can recognize a construct as something with soul. It's been a long time since I've had that dialogue so I can't remember exactly but it's something like that. My point is, the Adam Smasher that we fight in the game is more like a construct of the original, then I'd still consider him pretty much the same thing.
Why does young Adam Smasher look like friggin Jesse Eisenberg? lol
This is definitely a theory that can be difficult to prove or disprove, despite it being floated around for awhile now. I believe the most interesting points here are that Smasher claimed David Martinez would make an interesting construct and that Cybergenerations, despite being retconned material, previously supported the idea of repeatedly cloning Engrams. Albeit at the cost of each new clone being worse than the previous.
Smasher has always been a Psychopath and thereby Cyberpsycho. Despite this, you can note how much he has changed throughout time. He used to have more "human" aspects, such as maintaining his combat unit, swapping to Elvis bodies, attending social events, etc. Not to mention if he IS an engram, this would allow him to hop between conversions quicker while still having his host body. That way the process of moving internal organs is entirely skipped. As for the nuke, if Blackhand survived I don't see why Smasher couldn't unless he got extremely unlucky.
So we have potentially a copy of Adam Smasher potentially fighting a copy of Johnny Silverhand. Reality itself in Cyberpunk is having a sequel unoriginality issue.
so your telling me V can kill Adam solo but A FUCKING NUKE DOESNT 100% KILL HIM seem hella sus
He is called their number one asset. We know backups of engrams can exist. He may have died but a good chance we could see him again. As long as Arasaka is alive I believe he is too.
And he looked like Elvis while he was dating *******. I really like this theory. Also remember the protoype relic was designed to be used on a dead body. So even it was a engram in another body, it's still Smasher.
Well, if he truly is a disposable construct, then it confirms that Hanako was trying to gain V as another guard dog for Arasaka's arsenal. After all, killing the previous guy is the ultimate job/slave interview performance.
Arasaka has a smasher factory, if he breaks they just build a new one, he has an engram backup for sure.
They introduced the “engram” concept with Johnny, why not having one of Adam’s? They looked like he was “in bed” with Arasaka not impossible to me they wanted to keep him around.
They introduced the “engram” concept with Johnny, why not having one of Adam’s? Hell, how could you know the one you suspect was blown away was the real adam?
Smasher after the 2040s might be controlling drone bodies. Ones with stuff inside them that look enough like meatbods where when V lights him up, we do see guts… more guts than what a Biopod would reveal. That and a biopod itself wouldn't be placed in such a vulnerable area.
Smasher uses surrogates to do his work.
arasaka could have saved him in a soul chip also and installed him in a new body
Considering he's 97 borg 3% human in 2077 he survived.
Did we even leave kenpeki tower alive? What if the fall had V comatose and none of the events afterwards are real?
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Brains age like the rest of the body. No way that's Adam's original one.
2:28 looks like we a got a Venom Snake situation here.
Just like V and Johnny's situation. It is prolly still Smasher's head and brain.