Cyberpunk 2077's Abandoned Timelines

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Cyberpunk 2077 has some retconned timelines. Do they matter? Yeah…they do. Here’s an exploration of them.

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Timestamps:
0:00 – Introduction
2:08 – Cybergeneration
14:27 – Cyberpunk v3.0
22:47 – Thanks for Watching!

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27 thoughts on “Cyberpunk 2077's Abandoned Timelines”

  2. I hope you all enjoyed! Let me know all your thoughts, experience, and feedback down below. I always enjoy reading through your comments.

    I have some more interesting video essays on the way. So be on the lookout! Have a great week chooms.

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  5. Great Vid bud, can I ask please, I don't have much to do with the table top outside of your YT channel but can the source books be read in story format? Or is the story parts to "disjointed" between game rules to make much sense .. much like what game workshops used to do .. I say used as I haven't played Warhammer in 20+ years.

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  11. I truly hope they dont try to make the sequel without V and Johnny and the rest of the cast i feel like there's more story to tell with them ! It would be awesome to bring Edgerunners and 2077 cast 2gether by the way of lucy and her finding out they actually did make David an engram like Johnny. So they send V after her and she frees V and they with Johnny Sliverhand help and others bring the wrath of all hell down!!

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  13. I feel like the game did miss some little details itself that makes me question whether it is Johnny's unreliable memory of the past, or a small mess up by the devs. During the date with Rogue at the movie plex, she says "let's say it's 2015, we just met and I got no idea what a bastard you are." But everything that happened with Alt including saving her with Rogue, occurred in 2013, based on Johnny's flashback. I know you've done quite a bit of videos on the topic of Johnny's mind and memories being wrong, so it wouldn't surprise me to know if it really is his misinterpretation, or those involved in altering or implanting memories into the construct didn't realize.

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  14. Great video. You present the ties into the TTRPG nicely. Cybergeneration had somethings from it folded into cannon, but not all of it according to some of the RTG staff.
    V3 also the had problems with the rules. They were a hodge-podge, cut-and-paste of 2020 rule set and Fuzion (RTG proposed universal/generic game ruleset), which lead to very confusing and contradictory rules that didn't make 2020 fans, like myself, buy into as a successor. Another issue was that it was announced to be released in the early 2000s. It took RTG 4-5 years after their initial release date. To wait in anticipation for a game you love only to see what appear to be lacking in any type of editing or refinement was to say the least a disappointment. Granted by that time Mike had started working for Microsoft, so RTG was on the backburner for many years.
    Two other divergents to the timeline that you didn't mention was When Gravity Fails sourcebook and the horror theme books from Ianus/Dreampod 9. When Gravity Fails was similar to Hardwired in that the authors of the novels worked with RTG to add them to the Cyberpunk universe. I don't know if Effinger was a gamer, but Walt Jon Williams was and played Cyberpunk. Fun fact, Williams also gamed with George R.R. Martin back in the day. Ianus Games now Dreampod 9 introduce horror themes to Cyberpunk 2020 including a Vampire/werewolf supplement called Night's Edge. They have 2 books which were great for regaulr 2020, Dark Metropolis and Grim's Dark Cybertales. Both introduced game mechanics that dived into psychological of the dark future. They had great cyberpyschosis rules, very crunchy, but good.
    Thanks for all these videos. It nice to see people tying Cyberpunk 2077 back into the origins of the TTRPG and someone who does the research as well..

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  15. 100% on the Cyberpunk v3.0 reaction. I remember looking through it at the game shop back in the day and being stunned that it was the next edition. It was confusing, the "art" was terrible, and it just hit wrong all over the place.

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  20. I actually have known about v3.0 for years now thanks to the YouTuber Spoony on his old alt channel Counter Monkey where he talked about dnd and other ttrpgs. My jaw hit the floor when he showed the action figure/doll art.

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  23. I remember when they first talked about 2077.
    When they dropped detes that Johnny Silverhand, Alt and immortality were going to be a big thread in the game's story.

    My first thought was "Hm….Keanu would make a fantastic Johnny. He's already done it in mnemonic"
    (And I screamed like a little girl, yes, when they announced it XD)
    But my second thought was.
    'Wonder if Mr BigBad is trying to live forever…. He's not going to like how that works'

    I even said as much on YouTube videos where we talked about our speculations.
    But Cybergeneration was considered gonk here in the UK. (They loved cyberpunk, but cybergeneration was ignored in favour of Vampire the Masquerade and Magic the Gathering cards here, where I live)

    When the detes about the Relic were first dropped (that it was an immortality chip, but that was all the info we had) I speculated it was going to be the cyberpunk version of Bioshock's 'Vita-Chamber'.
    A way for the player to come back to life, as a game mechanic.
    (Kinda right, just not the way I thought lmao.)

    I even had a whole storyline in my head, with the player helping their choom Johnny Silverhand find his lost love Alt.
    Being a game, I reasoned bad, normal, good endings for them. Even a secret ending that was 'best' lol.
    (Tho, I'm speaking of Johnny and Alt here)

    Mainly because they said Johnny would be the players 'guide' to NightCity, that he was a 'ghost in the machine'

    So, my bored little brain cobbled together ideas based from 2013, 2020 and cybergeneration.
    That Alt was still the same as the 2027 Alt, still loved Johnny. That maybe this Johnny was a stolen copy of the clone backup maybe.
    (That an Old Johnny and old Alt clone pair were out there someplace too lol)

    That Mr BigBad wanted immortality (we didn't know who was the bad guy back then) and the only way to get it was some connection between the player (and Johnny) and Alt, still trapped in the Net.

    Back then, there was no mention of the Relic killing the player ether.
    I figured Johnny was like the Blackhand engram copy's, that helped the cyberevolved kids get away from the agencies.
    Only, he was helping us, the player.

    All that went up in smoke when December 2020 hit, and we all watched or played the game.
    I didn't have it, so I watched a no commentary walk thru.
    Was impressed by the fact they actually included 'never fade away' (the game module) in the game. Fell in love with this version of Johnny, more than I had with the original tabletop one.
    (I have 2013 box, the 2020 2nd print, cybergeneration and a good chunk of the sourcebooks lol. That's how I knew about stuff. Why my brain started frantically spewing theories out XD)
    Cried my eyes out over the endings. Like many did.

    Then, April 2021, I got first the Cyberpunk RED quick start box, then the RED sourcebook.
    The quick start box blew my mind. Because so much of what I had been thinking was right. The sourcebook later concerned it, while also melting my poor, overworked brain XD.

    But it uncovered a memory.
    Standing in my local gaming store, reading a new 2nd hand cyberpunk book.
    Reading the story of the fall of Arasaka towers.
    Thinking 'look at what they done to my boy' and putting it back because 'if that's how they treated Johnny, how are they going to treat the rest of us?'

    Now, I think it must have been the Firestorm book. Because I've read 203X as a PDF (once, lol) and there was no mention of that in there, at least that I can remember.

    I'm still collecting the tabletop. And I wish, really REALLY hard that they would release the figures from the boardgame as tabletop figures….so we can have them to collect without the boardgame (or with….hell, I'd buy both, and paint up the 2nd set of figures while leaving the boardgames ones unpainted lol)
    Can't wait to get the new Edgerunners sourcebook.
    Got 2077 as a gift in 2022. Got phantom liberty as my gift for 2023. Have got close to 1000hrs on it, and I've never 'visit Hanako at Embers' lol.
    Coldest I've come to an ending was sending Songbird to Luna.
    Got 9 different V's each with different play styles and names (a V based names, of course) and I'm STILL playing, roleplaying them, walking around NC.

    Night City is my home.

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  24. The first one you mention is my favorite thing to ever come from R Talsorian. I miss Cyber Generation. If we ever play Cyberpunk Red on my tabletop I fully intend to try to talk the GM into letting me play my boardpunk tinman all grown up .

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  25. So arisaka did not make an engram of Johnny they just stole one this is why Alt say that his memories are lying on the other hand maybe she is lying about the 6 months or more to DON´T TRUST ANYONE IN NIGHT CITY . I love the lore to bad we don´t have more in the game

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  27. yeah….. i kinda used the 'Angel revives Johnny' plot point in my own RED campaign. One of the players is a clone of someone from Arasaka's roster in the 2020s (created by a Corpo scientist who released multiple clones into the world to see how they develop), and had a guy called John Lindt as a mentor in her desire to become a Rocker. His wife is named Angel. I had the players indirectly interact with her once in a gig that ended with Smasher beating down Angel and John's gate. I even let the players believe that Smasher was after their client 🤣🤣

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