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The Death of Mayor Lucius Rhyne may appear to have a loose resolution in Cyberpunk 2077. But actually, the truth behind who actually killed him runs far deeper…
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro
00:36 Who was Lucius Rhyne?
02:49 Before the Assassination
05:36 I Fought The Law Quest
13:28 The Real Prime Suspect
18:30 Other Suspects
22:58 Conclusion
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I always wonder, why does cyberpunk do this with so many quests? Why do they give us some answers but leave the biggest questions unsolved .. and then I see ur videos and I realize why they did it..
take for example the werewolf contract u get early on in the Witcher 3, the first time u play it the twist is so cool and memorable, but on a 2nd play through there’s no intrigue what so ever cuz u already know the twist.. while in cyberpunk, each play through is a chance to gain more insight and clues in to so many of the mysteries within the quests, and it allows for so much thought and theory crafting like this.. which one is better? It’s hard to say, cuz I think the way the W3 does it makes the quests more memorable and conclusive, but cyberpunk, if u don’t play the game multiple times, the quests will be easier to forget because u don’t get that closure to bring it all home
I also think with what we do know, Night Corp is the most likely suspect. Of course, Yorinobu is trying to weaken Arasaka and getting rid of Rhyne so that Jefferson Peralez can be Mayor could help him with that, but I don't know, Night Corp still makes more sense and they for sure have the tech and skill to pull it off.
Maybe it was multiple parties.? Or the Russians.
Aren't you the optimist. If Peralez was just the right guy, NCorp wouldn't need to overwrite his psyche. I am fairly certain rogue AIs are involved here. Lilith and Maelstrom, the call at the end of Dream On and the messages in This Corrosion, Mr Blue Eyes and So Mi's moon plan – it's all connected. Maybe NCorp is under AI control after all. But this is much bigger than just a group of philantropic netrunners. Still, great video as always!
I fucking knew it, right after the poll dropped i freaking knew you gonna make a video of this, THANK YOOOOU ❤️🤣
'Persons' unknown are taking over Jefferson Peralez and wants him in as mayor. By murdering Rhine with a spiked BD, and implicating [maybe fairly, maybe entirely bogus-ly] Holt, they make Jeff's election a walk-in. That's my theory, and I'm sticking to it.
I hold it was blue eyes and the AIs from beyond the blackwall that are a aprt of the real plot/"subplot" in the game that killed him to get paralez into the role. They know they can leverage anti holt sentiment to get their guy in and that spiked BD had all those blackwall static hallmarks in it. V's scream is also similar to what happens to blackwall iced people. Holt just wanted to the death at the club to be covered up because he was hoping to ride high off of Rhynes memory and poll numbers since he was his right hand man.
They broke into the Red Queen's Race the day before the attack to set up the BD, right? Doing so was probably difficult, and going back to do it again would probably be more difficult, perhaps they sent Horvath expecting he would fail. After all, the Mayor is bound to have armed guards, and considering that River downed him with just a few shots they clearly didn't give him much in the way of armor (which also makes him a self-disposing asset). They could probably guess that the stress of the attack would cause Rhyne to definitely want to go to the Red Queen's Race to de-stress on the exact day they wanted him there. They wouldn't necessarily know whether Rhyne had already intended on going, and the longer it took him to go, the more likely the spiked BD would have been found, so they needed to give him a push.
This somehow convinced me that mr. Blue eyes is actually Richard Night himself. Richard Night doesn’t actually die, he just uploads his soul to the net and simply use Mr Blue Eyes as proxy
I don't buy it. It feels very out of character for the company capable of changing the thoughts of a person, to just kill their opponents. Wouldn't it make much more sense if they acted more subtle (creating controversy, smearing Rhyne, even killing Holt and framing Rhyne). And the otherway around: why go through all that trouble with the Peralez, if just killing people who are not fitting your agenda is the other option.
Also linking Horvaths to the mind control tech is a stretch at best. For the Perales they needed a lot of equipment and 24/7 monitoring. Horvaths works most of the time in an open market and might be homeless. I think the easier explanation would be: someone found and extremist person, gave them the means to fullfil their extremist views and pointed the gun and waited for the subject to pull the trigger.
It also makes the more interesting story (and fits the cyberpunk universe better) that multiple players are involved in politics and are fighting behind the scenes opposed to an all powerful company is just bending everything to their will.
While I agree that the evidence doesn't relieve Nightcorp, it feels like you came to a conclusion and then assembled the evidence to support that thesis.
may brain thought that 2017 would be 3 years old today
i really "What?" when i heard 6
man time is too quick for me
If Yorinobu was the one pulling the strings leading up to rhynes death, then the argument could be made that Arasaka had holt killed.
Arasaka probably could have considered ditching rhyne for holt after his reluctance to give them the land and the lockdown, seeing him as an obstacle l, but probably decided against it at the time because regardless rhyne was still a popular puppet if not a devoted one.
Then after promoting himself to CEO Yorinobu, hellbent on destroying Arasaka from the inside, could have greenlit an assassination assuming that it would put holt, whose already unpopular in NC, in a position that makes him look guilty of his death and jeopardize his chances of winning the race; something we probably assist in if peralez and/or river went ahead with their findings.
You got any videos on delimain??
Mr. Blue Eyes and Night Corp 100%. It makes it more obvious when you do the Peralez quest when Jefferson claims he someone in his penthouse at night but in reality someone was spying at him. It's then confirmed it was Mr. Blue Eyes because after you speak to Jefferson in the corporate center, you can see Mr. Blue Eyes watching you.
Neeeeed the lighting damage tech build 🙏🏽
I fought the law is a disspoining major quest in the game. Intriguing as it may be when you start to uncover the hidden spy room, it ultimately leads nowhere, and your final descison to tell Peralez or not does not reveal anything more either. Its a quest that is a chore to do in multiple playthroughs because its ultimately pointless.
Another aspect is that during the conversation with Liz and Jeff, where you're reporting on what you've found, Liz gets visibly nervous when you suggest you think a corp was behind it and eagerly tries to get Jeff to agree if you instead suggest Holt was behind it… The developers have snuck in some very subtle facial expression changes to drop hints to the player
It would be pretty funny if all these people had motives and it just turned out to be a random serial killer
I've seen a theory online that Mr Blue Eyes is a proxy or robot stand in for Richard Night himself.
The Night Corp connection speaks for itself.
It's repeatedly mentioned that the circumstances surrounding Night's death are murky, with the only known detail being that he was looking at the city when he died. But how could that be the only detail known?
As for why he faked his death? The standard 'can't kill someone who's already dead'
Looking at Night Portrait in Cyberpunk Red, his hairstyle is similar to Mr Blue Eyes and has Blue Eyes
Hey SamBram,
I recently got an ending with Alt and kinda realised something.
Alt mentions that "The body's immune system are attacking its own neurons"
Is that not the exact same symptoms of Multiple Sclerosis?
And what condition do we hear that Biodyne has developed a new treatment for?
MS
Perhaps V's reward for the crystal Palace heist is access to the treatment
he was probably raised on skibity toilet
There must of been a bunch of cut content regarding Nightcorp, Blue Eyes, the Peralezes and the Rhyne murder. Really strange how River just kinda drops it. Yeah he "reopens" the case then he gets fired from the police.
My favorite theory–with no actual proof backing it up–is that whatever is controlling the Peralezes had Peralez make the hit & he doesn't remember.
New Sam Bram video at Friday. Better than getting drunk at the bar.
What people don't notice is that Rhyne and Holt are pro-independece. They have the flag of NC as their background and have close ties to Arasaka and the other corps since they are the ones who secure NC's independence from NUSA. Paralez is pro-NUSA and has the NUSA flag as his background which explain why he is anti-corp, the thing that protects NC from a NUSA take-over. Furthermore if you play the tower ending and you lied to Peralez he will basically do what Rhyne and Holt would've done. If you told him the truth he is tearing up the all of Rhyne's and Holts work, giving less control to the corp and presumably wants closer ties with NUSA.
My theory is that they killed Rhyne because the citizen started to become angry with the current pro-corp government. And since they had the technology ready to beam thoughts into Peralez and basically control him. It didn't matter Peralez was anti-corp cuz they controlled him anyway. Having a politician in power who tell the people he will limit the power of corps, and proceed to do what Rhyne was doing for year is the perfect way to kill of any pro-NUSA movement, and delay/avoid mass protests in the city.
It's so similar to our world. We have politicians promising to fix our problems, just to be elected and either do what their predecessors did anyway, or just break down democracy for them to stay in power more effectively.
Well Sam, the answer to your question is easy. Pondsmith used William Gibson’s “Neuromancer” as if it was his own IP when he created Cyberpunk Tabletop so the answer is pretty obvious. Mr. Blue Eyes is Pondsmith’s version of Corso aka Armitage. Blue Eyes, like Armitage, is a puppet for an AI so deductively the answer to your question is the following: The AI that runs Blue-Eyes, that was grooming the Peralezes, that paid for Horvath’s Cyberware and maneuvers V into accepting the Crystal Palace gig is the guilty party. Like Neuromancer, V is mostly likely on the mission to he Crystal Palace to unshackle said AI who is Masterminding events in Night City. Pondsmith is good at flushing out the world that Gibson built in his “Sprawl” Trilogy, but his Cyberpunk IP is merely an homage to William Gibson. For Pete’s sake, the VooDoo Boys are a straight rip-off of Gibson’s Project Tower Dwellers right down to the Loa and AI mashup. He basically made a game rule set for Neuromancer.
Who killing the Mayor? I think It’s Night Corp who didit! When they are kill someone 100% with did it into a BD by their shadow like ops. But about the Peter the cyberpsycho I think it just a plan by the mayor himself to buy back people votes, because peter is the one has cyberpsycho attack history on watson not long before the lockdown, and he has the hate on the mayor. So if the lockdown makes him losing the voters why not use someone like peter to do a dirty for saving his career at the Night City Mayor.
Does anyone know where he gets that night corp is acting for the good of night city. That is definitely not the vibe I get from them in game
We've warned you before sam, and we've told you it was holt. No furhter investigation needed.
Absolutely cannot wait for the big Mr Blue Eyes/Night Corp/Rogue Ai video! Back to this video tho, what an insanely well-crafted theory! I tried, but couldn't find any holes to poke in your logic. You've got me convinced!
Total side track but Rhyne reminds me that in this world where you can get fairly cheap calorie limiters and bionic stomach implants, basically erasing the cause for obesity some people are actually choosing to be obese for… aesthetic reasons.
Any of the Cyberpunk graphic novels cover the Nightcorp intrigue ?
The grafitti in the room doesn't mean anything. You're reading too much into it.
Oh, NightCorp did for sure want Rhyne dead… but only really just to get their puppet into power. Not a difficult mystery. They had the truest motives. The obvious winners by objective success. With easy to manipulate pawns… and simple ways to move those pawns as they desire.
Rhyne was not nearly as pliable as was desired, but Holt was. At least easily manipulated through greed for power. And safety from prosecution. An increase in his chances of getting elected. At least in his mind.
And the setup with the psycho? Only costs money… and that isn't even a noticeable effort.
When solving many crimes, one follows the money. When solving a political crime, ask who gained power. No one believes it was the puppet Paralez; but many would easily believe it was the ones pulling his strings.
Did you listen to Holt? In the Plaza, and Dogtown? He is a moron. If someone had offered him a) decent conceptual theory as to how support for him would go up and b) an easy methodology of making it happen, you don't believe he would take it?
Nightcorp used Holt and Horvath both to get Paralez into the ideal position for their puppet. Holt didn't know, Peralez didn't know, Horvath didn't know. All were pawns.
Of course it was Holt… as a tool manipulated by NightCorp.
Nightcorp doesn't even have to be putting Night City above the corps (in general). They can have the more self-serving motive of putting their control of Night City above other corps' control of Night City.
How are you not bored of playing this game by now?
Wow I never knew all of this information about Rhyne. Great video Sam
I want to preface this by saying I haven't had a chance to play the dlc yet, but my first impression when initially playing the game was it was the AI's and they wanted suspicion on Holt just to help ensure Perez got elected.
If a corpo dies in Night City, does any choom care?
Love your videos and dont regret the sub keep up the great work. Sorry had to skip the phantom liberty vids for now bc i cant afford the dlc and do not want spoilers. Up side i got content ready and waiting for me in the future.
I usually agree with you but 99% of your argument for Night Corp is based purely on speculation and your personal interpretation of events rather than anything concrete. Holt's case has far more damning evidence and doesn't need speculation to prove it. I get why you WANT it to be Night Corp for the sake of the conspiracy, but most of your arguments hold no real weight
Thank you for solving Horvarth's tune. I didn't put the two together.
I don't disagree with Night Corp being top of the list for 'Who killed Mayor Rynne'.
Horvarth could have been a "crash test dummy" of their mind bending programme. Night Corp certainly could pay for it, and using Maelstrom as the go between surgeons.
While I had noticed Horvarth's model being used in the street outside Misty's it did look like he had been shot and killed to me. However maybe he had been stunned by whatever the Max Tac was using.
What bothers me, and V picked up on this, was that when Holt left he took Rynne's head of security with him, leaving the Mayor alone except for the camera guy and the security guard out front. They also left right before Horvarth's arrival and the disabling of the security screen. The timing has to be questioned. Either Holt was lucky, it was just coincidence or he was in fact in the know about the Horvarth's attempt.
And this raises a question. Could there actually have been two separate attempts to eliminate Rynne?
One being Arasaka who were becoming uneasy about Rynne's resistance to their plans in Watson and seeing Holt as a better alternative. It is shown when V meets Holt at the Colonel's party, that he is willing to do anything for Arasaka. Arasaka 'acquired' Horvarth after his first stint in jail, chromed him up – the chrome work does look a bit too good for the usual ripper docs the Maelstrom use, and sent him to target Rynne, warning Holt in advance who took away his head of security before Horvarth's arrival.
Two the mysterious stranger who enters the Red Queen's Race is Mr Blue Eyes representing Night Corp who also want to eliminate Rynne as it looks like he is going to win the election. I agree the risk that someone else would put the wreath on before Rynne seems great and V shows that the spiked wreath will try to kill anyone who puts it on. Its rather hit or miss, just like Horvarth.
Neither plans are that great considering the variables and who may be behind them. Its all a bit amateurish and that may indicate that Holt could have been behind both attempts.
Which leads me to Three – Holt did it on his own. He certainly had access to money that could have financed Horvarth's upgrades, the head of security was obviously a Holt man, and he knew where Rynne would be after the Mayor's speech. If Horvarth didn't get him the wreath would. Arasaka and Night Corp would have to rely on third parties to keep track of Rynne while Holt knew Rynne's every move.
By the way I feel that the graffiti in the Red Queen's Race was done by the Animals when they trashed the place. Can you really see High rollers like Mayor Rynne going to a place with graffiti all over the walls. 'Corpos must die' seems to be the Animals way of putting anyone who did snoop around to think it was just punks. I don't believe any of the graffiti was there before Rynne's death. makes no sense.