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They didn’t meet her engram either…
Alt Cunningham – the legendary netrunner – plays a major role in Cyberpunk 2077’s main storyline. Or at least her engram does. But what if I told you that the AI we meet during the story isn’t actually Alt Cunningham at all – but a rogue AI masquerading as Alt, using Johnny and V to achieve its own agenda.
In this video, we’ll explore why Johnny and V never met Alt Cunningham in 2077.
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A big indication that this AI was not fully Alt was the fact that it sought to consume the Engrams of Mikoshi, which is a major departure from Engram Alt's behaviour in Cyberpunk Red where she was setting up sanctuaries for the constructs when she wasn't laying the foundation for the Blackwall with Netwatch and negotiating with Transcendental Sentience Artificial Intelligences (basically AI gods).
Even being behind the blackwall for 32 years can't fully explain why Alt so drastically changed or why she suddenly became predatory to the Engrams she previously risked everything to protect, something happened to her and it probably wont be explained until a later Cyberpunk Red module or 2077 sequel or Expansion comes out.
It sort of strikes me as a cyberspace version of the bit in Westworld where Bernard can't see the service door; Johnny, as an engram and simultaneously as somebody acquainted with Alt sees The AI as Alt but in V's perspective the inhumanity is brought to the fore and this theory gains real credence
Im a fan of the theory that johnny’s story of what happened isnt actually truthfull in a lot of crucial details. As you get reminded a lot, johnny’s memories can likely be altered by how johnny remembered it. That said, i think johnny went crazy after losing her(to reasons he might be more responsible for than what he cares to remember) and told himself what he needed to hear. Saying all that, the facts johnny presents could be less than reliable. That said, ur interactions with alt actually make more sense that she was consumed by a rogue ai imo. Good find, great theory, cant wait for clarification from the devs
In game they literally refer to her as an AI. The idea is that she has become an AI. Thats what you get for living in the net for so long.
Ya know something, I think you're onto something here! 01 sounds like a cannibalistic AI, that feeds on and absorbs weaker, more vulnerable AIs. I'm thinking of 01 in the same light as the Borg. "You will be assimilated; resistance is futile, your collective knowledge will be absorbed and integrated with our own." (probably the worst summary ever haha).
What if I told you that V was under the mind control stuff? Anyone ever notice that when v talks you can hear other voices under vs? V being under that mind control stuff makes sense. We, as the player, control V. We change vs style his/her actions.
Maaaan I hope u get it right because think of all the posible twists for the 2nd game.. it’s gonn b lit 🔥
Good sleuthing. Beforehand I figured even if this was originally Alt, after swallowing who knows how many engrams and constructs into herself to become something greater, she was no longer Alt but part of the chorus. Like the Borg Queen of the Borg from Star Trek.
I kinda never understood this was Alt. My understanding of my first gameplay was that it was an AI using Alt's engram, therefore a mix of both, exactly like V isn't just herself since she has Johnny's engram in her head. The more you play, the more she acts like Johnny, the V from the beginning doesn't exist anymore. Same goes for Alt
Makes me wonder if Alt even did anything to V considering V's body is still changing, My head canon is after the Sun ending, V instead gets a clone of her body with some upgrades so what happen won't happen again she and Panam's crew now have adventures away from Night City with Judy tagging along.
I am getting SOOOOOOO tired of waiting for this fricken expansion. I want to replay CP 2077, but, I want to wait for the expansion as there is nothing worse than playing a game a few times, then taking a break to wait for an expansion you expect in a few months, waiting two years, going back and replaying it just to have the expansion finally drop but now you're a little sick of the game bc you just finished a 200 hour run 3 weeks ago. Seriously, this wait is beyond what is even remotely "OK" at this point. I don't want a broken expansion either, but come on, we passed the 2 year mark 3 weeks ago today! I'm trying to replay TW3 now, but just did my 5th run through in 3 years (I bought it in late 2019 I believe) and am just not getting crazy into it, probably bc I did a 90% run 5 months ago! FYI, a 90% run means you do every quest on you get, all the "?" marks on the map, every "!" you see etc etc, so it takes a good 300 hours. Heck, I'm over 100 hours as we speak and just got to Skellige. Heh, and I'm lvl 25 bc half of the quests only give 1-10 xp since you over level so quickly.
Anyway, I don't see why they can't release the PC version first if it is ready, then release the console ports when they are set to go. It's what they should have done in the first place. Of course that would probably take people away from fixing bugs after release until the console versions could ship so… Bleh. Just finish the darn game! Ship it when it's ready and no sooner, but make it quick darnit or we'll…play something else and still buy it the day before release so we can have it downloaded and installed to play immediately. But we'll still bitch the entire time you make us wait as this really is beyond good faith here. If you were any other company with even remotely normal fans you'd be getting the Bioware MEA or Anthem treatment right now…except your game didn't suck before it was fixed whereas their's still sucked afterwards. Well MEA was decent after the first 25 hours, but very few people made it that far because it was a really, really bad first 25 hours. Bleh, don't get me off topic by tricking me into talking about Bioware with your Corpo babble and charisma mod, we know your tricks CDPR. And stop moving your figer around in front of our faces. ~makes a triangle gesture "I think you'll wait." You know what, I might not be thrilled but I guess I'll shut up and hold out a bit longer.
She's like the borg. When she assimilates new data that data changes her. Alt is 0-1 and 0-1 is alt. Alt and Bartmoss and everyone else. One unified consciousness
fucky doggie got a chair to sit in everything all she wanna do is farming so she should lay some of fence herself lol
It's Alts Engram. She's just been in an alien world for 50 years and came back… Alt-ered
Johnny hasn't spoken to or with Alt for however long it was for him to collect the weapons to free her.
Johnny was frozen in time and the week/month after you aquire him, it's ONLY been a month or two since he last spoke to her and he was with her for weeks or months until she got kidnapped.
Then There's the whole.. his entire memory from "last week" was turned into a permanent digital record he can access at any time and is likely (as when you access it) going over much of it while he is afk using your brain to process stuff.
What I find funny is it tells us OVER AND OVER that it ISN'T Alt, it doesn't pretend that it is, but like Johnny, everyone continues to just believe that it is for some reason.
Typical Cyberpunk dystopia. It was johnny who trapped Alt in the net in the first place. So, no clean resolution just a series of choices that V gets to make and sometimes the lesser of two evils be dammed.
Literally the game spells it out using alts form which means that this is not "alt"
I have a theory that CyberPunk 2077 and Death Stranding occur in the same universe. During the mission with River, when you go into the NCPD there’s a lab with a BB Pod and it tells you that it’s designed to detect BTs. While it’s an Easter egg, wha if they’re in the same universe and the BTs are the after effect of cyber psychosis?
What if this was related to the theory of Misty being Alt?
Alt being that rogue ai makes so much more sense when in Panam's ending you get the data shard from Dakota, all of her equipment gets fried showing that the AI found it to be a threat.
I'm not certain I agree with Big Dan. Alt much like Johnny simply can't be the same person she was back in 2027.
They've both been changed by becoming engrams and spending at least 50 years detached from people and their own humanity.
You can see it in Johnny who is a more of a caricature of who he really was, complete with recreated memories and motivations courtesy of Arasaka and his time in Mikoshi.
He's less Johnny Silverhand and more Johnny Mnemonic. Similar to our partner Jackie when we talk to him inside Mikoshi. Jackie is a shell, barely there. A hand puppet for Hanako to manipulate.
Though I believe that's because he had already died and the spark of his personality died with him.
Whereas Alt and Johnny were still alive before being digitally consumed by the Soulkiller programs.
Alt Cunningham was also a programmer/runner so would likely be more self aware and cognizant of the process since she designed the program to begin with.
Johnny wouldn't have the first clue anything was wrong and being as narcissistic as he is, self awareness was never his strong point.
That fact is brought up multiple times when you talk to the people who knew Johnny the best, including Alt as she pointed out to Johnny how he is also now a program himself.
So whether it's time spent in Mikoshi or the process of being consumed by the Soulkiller program some very core parts of them have been changed if not outright destroyed by the process of becoming a digital being.
It's likely their circumstances after Soulkiller had just as much of an impact on the outcome of their personalities.
For Alt it's survival on the other side of the wall surrounded by killer AI making her more distant, cold and calculating.
For Johnny it's stewing in his memories stuck in Mikoshi until V comes along and Johnny is able to hijack V's memories and emotions to supplement any Johnny may have lost courtesy of the Relic.
After all we are told on several occasions that Johnny will become the dominant personality because the Relic is recreating parts of our brain that was damaged from being shot in the head by Dexter De'Shawn.
But that just a theory! A game theory … Sorry MatPat I couldn't help myself there.
The thing is no engram is the actual person, it's just a copy of their neural pattern and memories simulated as best as the programming can manage. If it's self aware and can learn to reprogram itself, of course it's going to transcend its origins and become something/someone else.
I think it’s the Ship of Theseus. Sorta. Like the thought experiment. Alt was a living person who died, but her engram survived in Arasaka’s subnet. Johnny busted her out by blowing the place up, and she escaped beyond the Blackwall.
There, one of two things happened: Either that engram was absorbed into a powerful AI, meaning that all of Alt that was in her engram became a tiny part of a much bigger, colder entity with its own goals- or the engram consumed lots of smaller AIs to survive, and wound up becoming more AI than Alt-engram in the process.
End result, something that is still Alt, but also very much MORE than Alt, in the sense that the memories and form and personality of Alt, whatever was saved in her engram, are still there- but they’re like a grain of sand on a beach.
Alternatively, she could be working with V because she wants to incorporate more engrams into herself to gain more power- maybe she’s got beef with Mr. Blue Eyes- and be cold towards Johnny because even after she died, he still thought he knew better than her. As an engram in a closed subnet, she’d have been a big fish in a little pond. After Johnny busted the walls down, she’d basically be getting dumped into the deep end with all the RABIDS where she’d have to absorb other programs and grow well beyond her original size just to survive, making herself more program than person as a result.
Which would imply that her shutting Johnny down is the most human part of their interactions, like: “More engrams from Mikoshi. Yes, those would increase my power levels significantly. …oh, the arrogant prick who accidentally killed me because he thought he knew best, then STILL didn’t listen when I told him to stay away from me, and made things worse AGAIN wants to talk to me now. No, that doesn’t seem like an efficient use of my time.”