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the gameplay of you beating a cyberspycho with the glizzy stick is hilarious 😂
As a person who is mentality ill personally, I would look at Cyber Psychosis as a Pathology. Adam Smasher is a Pathological Narcissist with Disassositive Disorder. A person out of touch with their humanity physically and socially. A person who "knows" they are above anything else. Smasher simply does not see his lost humanity as a loss becuase Smasher feels he was never human to begin with.
In short. Smasher had no humanity to loose to begin with.
Is it just me or does cyberpsychosis just sound like cyberPTSD or cyberdepression, how some people can cope, in more ways than one, while other will succumb.
V has a lot of support from Vik, Misty, and countless friends on all but the bleakest paths. Yes, you can turn yourself into a monster, but at the end of the day one of four things happen:
– either you go off with the nomads and disconnect from the power struggle
– or you go with Rogue and give Johnny a new chance, which he uses to become sober and lose his anger
– or you chase even bigger gigs, possibly friendless, in a further desperate attempt to keep hold of a life that you can't keep
– or you sell out to the corporations and are punished almost as much as you deserve.
i think its safe to assume david is responsible for his Cyberpsychosis not his overchroming. this guy made sure to never be safe and constant pushed his tech and high limits over their threshold breaking himself over and over. For example, Doc tells him even when someone presents a high tolerance to install a Sandy they only can use 2 charges before they damage themselves physically, David learned that he could hit 7 charges safely and on the 8th he would breakdown and damage his brain. Despite this he even goes gigachad and adds 2 more to his daily and again damages his brain just to make a point. He never just uses the device as intended, never stops at the safe use of 7 and over the course of repeated misuses speeds his brain into splitsville. Another example is that David would even push his other cyberwares beyond their limits to move at maximum sandy speeds even when it wasn't required, as the Doc said his whole frame had warped areas and stress factors after killing the mauler.
Add his actual physical damage he was doing to his body and brain plus his trauma and he experiences the actual psychotic stimulis of Cyberpsychos through illegal safety filters off BDs its no wonder that even if his brain was high tolerant he was still on a road to cyberpsycho and doing so at 100mph past the speed limit.
I Think Smasher is just Really in Touch with Himself. He’s Not a Complex Man and He Knows it. He doesn’t Strike Out against the Corps, He doesn’t Care about His Reputation, He isn’t Trying to be Rich. No, Adam just Wants to Hurt People, and Being a Borg is Merely the Easiest Way to Do it.
I say smasher is a cyberpsycho, but his normal personality/beliefs lined up so closely to its affects that he’s able to control himself. Maine went total psycho but was able to tell David to run, and sacrifice himself. Also whenever smasher is deployed he’ll kill innocent people (just cause) if he gets the chance.
Basically, the way I see it is, cyberware doesn’t give you mental health issues and make you psychotic, it only amplifies the feelings you already have. Notice how all of the cyberpsychos we see in the show have issues. The first one we see in the opening of the show, he was a military veteran. What do veterans commonly have when coming back home? Mental issues, depression, ptsd, things like that. Those aspects combined with all of the military grade cyberware he had turned him into a cyberpsycho because they amplified those mental health issues he had. Look at the other one, the one who zero’d Pillar. He looked homeless, sad, and he had cybernetics. Also, look at the moment when David was literally about to go cyberpsycho. What brought him back? A kiss from his girlfriend. As cheesy as it sounds, friendship, love, and family bring you out of those dark moments. 😂 David and V don’t go full cyberpsycho because they have people with them that remind them of their humanity (and they also have a higher tolerance for cybernetics). The military vet and the homeless guy probably didn’t have anyone with them, didn’t have that moral support, and that combined with their mental health issues and cyberware made them lose their humanity and go psycho. David has his crew and V literally has someone in his head all the time along with his friends. Night City is a dark place, and it’s known for ripping the charm, happiness and humanity out of people, so it would understandably be rare to find people who not only have a higher tolerance to cyberware, but also have those aspects that lift their spirits and keep what makes them human.
I feel like cyber psychosis started taking a hold of David when Faraday return causing David to reflect more on his past trauma causing him to reminisce then ultimately having his guilt sweep in or you could even say it started when the newbie got flat line on his watch.
David could handle the sandy better than most before he met the crew though. That's why arasaka were interested in him from the recording of him fighting the other student.
Maine and Dorio became his new mom and dad. Pilar and Rebecca were his siblings, Falco and Kiwi were the uncle and aunt. Lucy is his best friend and lover.
The crew was his world.
Till Faraday's heist went up sideways.
Anyone who describes a woman as a "fuckable cut of meat" is def a psycho lol
Cybernetics don't cause cyberpsychosis, life in the city causes it, the stress & trauma turns folks crazy.
Why do ppl not activate windows for like 2€
One thing i think a lot of people are overlooking when it comes to David getting closer and closer to the edge of Cyberpsychosis is the night where Dorio and Maine died. In that same night he was subjected to a BD that was probably way too raw, in which all of the actual thoughts/effects of Cyberpsychosis were unfiltered. So pair that with the Trauma of having to watch what was a father/mentor figure NOT ONLY go Cyberpsycho, but also that he watched the man die right in front of him, that would put an immense mental strain on anyone. In short his Cyberpsychosis was caused by extreme amounts of PTSD and trauma. The very fact that he starts getting more and more chromed out the gills is one big flag to that fact. He wasn't getting chromed cause it "looked cool" or he thought he could "handle it" and all that. Sure those thoughts are in there, but he's getting Cyberware for the very basic need of feeling like he can protect people, protect the ones he loves and trusts. That he needs to overcome every hurdle and edge to be able to take the brunt of EVERY blow and make sure everyone gets out alive.
I could go into the thought that Cyberpsychosis is maybe due to PTSD in some way, or it's a "trigger" in some form (that's a triple pun!). But at the end of the day they did a fantastic job at portraying what that sort of high looks like.
David is truly an unique case, and a valuable resource. As soon as he uses the Sandevistan for the first time Arasaka has their eyes on him, that means that people with such adaptability are rare, extremely rare. If a second season is to happen, David could probably be resuscitated and forced to serve some corporation (either as a soldier or a lab rat) maybe Arasaka or Militech, or literally any other Cyberware manufacturing company. His possible reunion with Lucy and Falco would be bitter, as he's now fighting for the enemy side.
Later in the series he slowly regains his memories and his humanity, and betrays the Corporation that saved him. The anime is probably gonna end with him leaving Night City, either with Lucy or alone.
At its core, cyberpsychosis is a plot device. It was never fully explained what the triggers are, why some people have it while others don't. I believe it was alwaye meant to be vague in order to leave it to the game master's interpretation (remember that Cyberpunk was a TTRPG first and foremost).
sorry for the mof english, I'm just Russian
I would like to speak about cyberpsychosis and how I see it in the gameplay part. First, I will speak out about cyberpsychosis, which appears after implants
Based on the cyberpsychosis that is received due to implants, then
according to Laura, V and Smesher are the only ones who are not brought to the state of cyberpsih by implants. Of course, we can say that the Vi does not become it, since the biochip restores the brain all the time, but still at the moment the biochip should not do this with cyberpsychosis, and even so quickly. And even if the biochip did it, then at least V would have to have the same glitches as David and some other things, but they are not. And this is taking into account the fact that Vi himself is dying and his life situation is very sad. And this, for a moment, also plays a role in the process of turning into a cyber psycho, based on who those cyberpsychs were that we caught in the game. Some are tired of life, who are in severe depression and stress, others are sick people, and so on. But Vi, with all his life situation, implants and many other things, does not turn into him, and does not even have hints of cyberpsychosis. And according to the canon, Vi can have about 20 implants, where most of them are of high quality, which can compete with the Master and even surpass (after all, they played their role against the fight against him).
But you know, I would still like to see this cyberpsychosis in Vi on the one hand. I imagine him like this:
Vi meets some kind of hostile gang group in the open world, which he thinks wants to attack him. V starts a brutal massacre, but later after killing everyone, either faints for a couple of seconds, or his eyes darken for a few seconds. And after he wakes up he sees a bunch of corpses of civilians, as well as policemen and an impending makstak squad. And so time after time, but at the same time he does not reach the final stage of cyberpsychosis, because the biochip restores the brain to a certain state all the time. The only way to fix this is to reduce the number of implants, after which the biochip will completely restore the brain to normal, or take medications like David. In my opinion, it would be nice, and to feel like a cyber psycho is something. Instead of hostile groups, it would be possible to use glitches like David's, or even better, some monsters from the witcher, where at the same time there will be a reference to the game.
I analyzed this situation with cyberpsychosis, and also showed how I would like to see it in terms of gameplay
But now I want to analyze cyberpsychosis, as well as the true reason why it appears. If we delve into the details, we can conclude that cyberpsychics become not because of the implants themselves, but because of netwatch. Yes, they make cyberpsychics through implants, but the implants themselves do not affect this in any way. And do you know what is the most interesting thing in this situation? The fact that the first attack of cyberpsychosis was discovered in 2013, when the netwatch corporation was formed. Also, the fact that this is a netwatch also explains why Vi does not have cyberpsychosis, because Vi has what they need. After all, if you have carefully studied the game, you know that netwatch wanted to buy a biochip from Yorinobu. They needed the one who is on the biochip, or rather what the "one who" on the chip can do for them. Remember the correspondence with Evelyn Parker, where it turns out that Netwatch, like voodooists, needs an Alt.
In this case, the implementation of cyberpsychosis in the gameplay does not make sense, since there is no need to make a netwatch a cyberpsychotic Vi, because they still need it. It's very stupid of them. And even if they wanted to, it would not have worked, since the biochip was constantly restoring the brain, or the Vi, as in the first version, was simply immune to it.
Conclusion: Because of the implants themselves, again, there should be no cyberpsychosis. No wonder V doesn't have one. What's the point of a corporation making a cyberpunk out of him if they need him? There is no need, and they will not be able to, since the biochip in this case would most likely restore it, or the Vi, again, was immune to it
just finished the series and almost cried
He wasn't special he still went cyber psycho and needed military meds to keep him stable also adam smasher doesn't go vyber psycho because he sacrificed his brain with a construct like v and johnny he's no longer human
This cartoon is aids
I'm going to go devil's advocate with this one (also cuz I think he's badass in his own right, character design, form & function. Sidenote: I'm new to Cyberpunk, I want to get into it via the game once I can get to use my gaming PC again) but I feel bad for Adam Smasher. From what I know the guy was handed the most shite hand of cards in life and basically copes with his reality and life as per what he was dealt; being a killer. No one knows him as anyone differently, no one will ever care and redemption is for humanity. At that point you're cemented into a really shit situation with one way out: death. Perhaps he had silent gratitude for V putting him out of his misery, as it takes a special kind of weakness most humans don't have thankfully, to kill yourself. Overall, a really shite situation for the poor bastard.
#davidisalive season 2
Like I said in the other video I think Adam Smasher is actually what one would call high functioning Cyberpsycho sure he doesn't rampage in the streets but you'd get more warmth from a bottle of liquid helium.
As for V how do we know they weren't on the verge of becoming a cyberpsycho after all our point of view into world is thru V and only thru V, so if that PoV is distorted we wouldn't be able to tell and one of the hardest things about mental health issues is realizing you have problems and it's not just how the world is. So if V is slowly becoming a cyberpsycho over the course of the story we would never be able to tell since as far as we could tell that's just how the world is.
Put simply, it's not really the cybernetics themselves that drive you nuts. It's your trauma. The cyberware just kinda puts a strain on it. A pretty balanced person could in theory wear any amount of cyberware (the creator said this himself). Note Rebecca is pretty heavily modded but is relatively fine. In the game there's TONS of very heavily modded people that are just normal. It's just the setting isn't anything resembling conducive to mental stability.
And V kinda had another brain in his head and the relic was pretty much giving him all the symptoms of the disorder so it's not entirely 100% true he didn't suffer it.
I been thinking this the last few days ! Even before death he was normal again
It's one thing when you don't have limits but a good support system. V has both a god tier support system and limits. Hoping one day the devs let us experience at least low level cyber psychosis, with Johnny in his head I wonder how far Johnny would let V go, God help you if you have panam as a partner lol she'd probably beat you half to death and scale you back by force 😂😂😂it's these thoughts and what ifs that keep me up at night, even if the devs gave us the option it would be MIGHTY hard to cross that line since everyone in V's life isnt dead. Id like to see how'd they'd interfere in the Main characters plans of blindly chasing after the top spot in such a desperate way. It would be awesome to see. I already can't listen to……THAT SONG because of the anime, I want to see just how emotionally traumatizing things could get or just what it would take to mentally break V. I hope what I said makes at least some since 😂😂😂
After watching the anime and hearing what Maximum mike said I think i have my take on it. Between the three of David Adam smasher and V they all had different takes on how they handles cyberpsychos. David was gifted and had a happy childhood which gave him more stable start. In game terms if you where to use numbers say the average person started with around 1000 humanity. David might have had around 1500 because of a good start with his mother. He could handle more gear but he maxed himself out how much he could use and used up all his gift plus with the loss of his mother, mentor, friends and stress of thinking he going crazy was just too much for himself to deal with and he went over the edge. Adam smasher was just a guy who had a rough life but dug into it and went harder. He because a solder and then merc and sold his skills to who ever then eventually worked for Araksaka. He was probably build different but when on the job those who stood in his way where just meat. Nothing to worrier about think about or care about. Even when borged out anyone who was in his way he just killed to finish his job. Now For V depending on the background. My take is Streetkid V, Unlike David V had to survive younger own his own. Was probably already working with Sebastian Ibarra at the age David was in school. He was more mentally tough to hardship. When you are running around Night city as V and you are slowly getting more chipped in you have a focus a goal keep alive. Also Johnny is killing you but also a guid to deal with fucked up shit since he seen more then you and can help keep you focused and set on staying alive.
He’s not special lol he was warned numerous times about the military grade implants yet he still took the risk that’s why he’s dead
He’s not special lol he was warned numerous times about the military grade implants yet he still took the risk that’s why he’s dead
Damn you had to show Rebecca like that… just as my mental health was peacing back together…
Adam Smasher: you’re not special David! Proceeds to slap him with a vibrator under Sandevista effect*
eyup, they were dirty ones, you can see their reaction
V 100% goes psycho by the end of 2077.
Don't tell me you weren't running around at level 50 half naked and slaughtering every moving thing you came across until the cops overspawed and flatlined you.
We all did it.
David's crew was the perfect reflection of the tabletop game. He was just an OP main character that rose high on the streets a little too fast, kust like many of our own playthroughs.
Only takes one gig going sideways to flatline.
All due respect your lore and motivations for Adam Smasher is totally wrong. From the lore and the books, Adam Smasher ran with a gang in New York. Crime got so bad that Adam and his gang ended up fighting with the US Military, the military wiped out his entire gang except for Adam. He was so impressed with how big the military guns were he went and enlisted soon after. Adam ended up getting kicked out of the military for being too psychotic and wound up in Night City, not sure if it was from the wars in South America or just travelling across the wasteland United States. When he ended up in Night City he became a pretty famous street samurai that had a reputation for killing everyone on his assignments. In a botched job, he was hit by the full payload of a rocket system that pretty much turned him into the origin story of Robocop. Arisaka managed to talk to him when he was barely conscious and struck up a deal, they save his life and give him a deadly robotic body, and he exclusively contracts for Arisaka forever. He immediately agreed and was turned into a cyborg.
Adam Smasher isnt resistant to cyberpsycosis. Adam Smasher is a high functioning psychotic that has had a LOT of luck around his condition. Now he happily sees himself as a machine, and all the more comfortable to exterminate meatslabs. Yet even when he was human just had the fascination with killing and technology. David IS special because he has a lot of humanity that helps him stay grounded the more chrome he gets. Adam Smasher pulled a nuclear ghandi and has had a humanity stat so horribly low it rolled back around to the absolute highest setting.
Anyone else hoping they add more seasons, but just have them be different build ups to different cyberpsychos? Not that dis wasn't great, but more please!
My theory is that it has to do with brain development you see v is maybe 24 25 and he/she has a fully developed brain but David is 17 but he can handle much cyberware but his brain is still developing and the brain doesn’t fully developed until 21 plus mental health as well is very big part now I don’t know if therapy is for the rich now so that could be a factor as well so many common people are cyber psychos
He might be speical, because he had some psychological disorders beforehand. He watched Braindances of Cyberpsychos, was apathetic and slow to react in general (which might be just Night City burnout at the early age, but that might be just layered on top of his pre-existend psychological condition), and he was about to go full rogue cannon after his mother died, but got pulled back by the Lucy and Maine's crew. Throughout the show he's balancing on the edge and in the end was dipping in and out of it.
Adam shamsher on the other hand is just a bundle of psychological problems, roughly shaped in humanoid form and put into walking tank. He's 100% psycho beforehand, on top of having inferiority complex and probably some kind of body dysphoria. He's special, because he was completly broken from the start.
Im gonna get hate for this but I feel David is way stronger then V. I feel like V would have had it if the Devs pug it in the game, but they didn’t(leading most people to say his immune). David was Exhausted by the time he finally reached smasher. V was dying but he almost was perfectly fine. David could just take Vs guns away while he stays back firing gravity waves(how could v counter that be honest). Sandy and the exoskeleton, would hard stump V.
cyber psychosis is basicly robo-dysphoria coupled with incompatibilities.
david was supported enough and had a high compatibility body.
adam smasher had an even higher compatibility or a bigger pain tolerance, and he already identified as an attack helicopter.
I always kinda thought Cyberpsychosis isn't real. It's been kept vague enough in the game. I always thought it really is either some kind of PTSD OR some sort of security Measures by big companies gone wrong.
My theory was that companies "Laced" their cyberware with some security programs and when stuff like David's Sandevistan is noted as stolen, it sets free and infects the wearer. However since Cyberpsychos become so ultraviolent, big corpos would be better off to not admit that, sweep it under the rug and rather turn it into the Boogeyman of their time.
Sounded logical to me plus I used Adam Smasher as the example of a Corpo Mercenary who is over 90% Chrome but doesn't show signs of Cyberpsychosis.
Unfortunately it way debunked but I feel like my take was somewhat logical.
Why are people uploading so many Japanese dub videos? It doesn't make sense, they're not japanese, it literally throws you completely off the lore. You are also missing on the cyberpunk slang! "Oooooh but it's an animeee so we have to look at it in Japanese" so stupid
Now I've got to hand it to you on a positive note you've got a good analysis and I enjoy the talk. On the other hand you're showing a d** on the screen constantly. I get it, that thing is ridiculous, and you don't need to show it all the freaking time maybe just one shot of that and then other videos.
I wondered if his excessive watching of XBDs helped him develop a tolerance for cyberpsychosis. Also, Adam smasher has privileged access to competent surgery and special therapies that are used to treat maxtac and other protected classes. David might well have surpassed Adam if he was given the same opportunities, as he got where he was without formal training or focus from a mega corporation. Working in psych units with psychotic patients, there's often a lot of trauma and other epigenetic factors that predispose people to psychosis, not just genes.
Mike Pondsmith(Cyberpunk ttrpg creator) did an reddit post few days ago explaining a bit how cyberpsychosis works. In nutshell it's really similar to so called roid rage. David resistance to cyberpsychosis was also due to his high "humanity stat". You also stated that he had a loving mother, pretty normal life and after her death he had found a new family among the edgerunners with Maine becoming his father figure which also helped him to stay sane. And he got Lucy as well.
I also think David ended up as a cyberpsycho faster(in his class) because of that damned BD torture he went through during that one gig. It clearly left big mark on his psyche and traumatized him. His first fits of cyberpsychosiz were filled with imagery similar to the last stage of that torture BD.
Edit: Welp you also spoke of that post. But I'm going to keep that comment up for them YT algorithm gains ^^
Repeating a lot of analysis from Mike Pondsmith himself. Down vote
The show was depressing. This poor kid had no chance at all. Night city makes Gotham look like a paradise
Dorio is mad under rated